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Barry, VK2AAB wrote:-

> David G4EBT:-
 
> In the case of the gang rape in Australia, my understanding is that the
> woman concerned wasn't as inferred by the Sheik "dressed like a
> prostitute" she was simply reading a book on a train, minding her own
> business when set upon by Muslims.

> Unquote.

Barry:
 
> That young lady who I think was about 18 was only one case. That gang 
> raped several as far as is known. One would befriend a girl they met 
> somewhere and later the rest would turn up in their cars.
 
Thanks for the update Barry. The actual crimes weren't widely reported in
the UK - only the Sheik's remarks.
 
> They got such long sentences because it was racially motivated and gang
> organised. They only targeted Australian girls.
 
> There were actually three gangs, one of which were Pakistani brothers. 
> Their attitude in court was of contempt for the judge and the girl and 
> that I am sure helped them to a severer sentence. Their father shouting 
> out in court didn't help them either. Outside the court the father 
> blamed the girl for being alone. 

>If I remember correctly they wanted a Sharia court!
 
There are similar rumblings in the UK in areas of high Muslim population
densities.

> Aside from these cases the whole attitude has really condemned the 
> Moslems. The silence of the innocent Moslems is deafening. It really 
> is a case of you are either with us or against us.

It's a pity that the decent majority don't speak out more to utterly
condemn the crimes and dissociate themselves from the attitudes portrayed 
by the Sheik. The risk is that their silence might be construed as tacit
approval.

> Politically correct or not I couldn't care less !
 
You express a legitimate concern Barry. The slogan "Australia - love it or
leave it" comes to mind. Some might see that slogan as racist - I don't.
What it says to me is that Australians have carved out a nation with its
own culture and set of values.

It's reasonable to assume that anyone who wants to make Australia their
home are attracted to the Australian way of life and will therefore, 
over a period of time, adapt to that way of life - not import a different
set of values from a foreign land with a different culture. 
 
That can take longer for some to achieve than others. Indeed some never
fit in and pack their bags. Plenty of ten-pound Poms got a rude awakening
when they discovered that you don't just have to turn up, but actually
have to 
work for a living and sometimes rough it a bit to get a foothold. I knew
several who came back in very short order.

In the case of the Sheik, he arrived in Oz in  1982. Long enough, I'd
suggest, for him to learn how to fit in, or at least bite his tongue.

He wasn't just a "nobody" preaching to a few people at a small local
mosque, he's Australia's most senior Muslim cleric, and was preaching 
to a congregation of 500. 

Newspapers reported that Sheik Taj Aldin al-Hilali, the Mufti of
Australia, condemned women who "sway suggestively", wear make-up and no
hijab or Islamic headscarf, in a Ramadan sermon to 500 worshippers.

Islamic leaders  met in Sydney to discuss his future and are considering
whether to sack him from his role as the most senior cleric at the city's
largest mosque. I've no idea what the outcome was.

John Howard, the P.M. rightly said the cleric's comments were "appalling
and reprehensible". He told reporters: 

"The idea that women are to blame for rapes is preposterous. I not only
reject the comments, I condemn them unconditionally. Mr al-Hilali - who
arrived in Australia in 1982 from Lebanon on a tourist visa and later
fought attempts to deport him, has triggered controversies in the past". 

In 2004 he said in a sermon in Lebanon that the Sept 11 attacks were
"God's work against the oppressors." He later said that he didn't mean
that he supported the attacks, or terrorism.  

Well what did he mean then?

In a statement, the cleric apologised for his comments and said: 

"I had only intended to protect women's honour, something lost in "The
Australian" presentation of my talk." He was reported in the newspaper 
as saying he only meant to refer to prostitutes as meat - not any woman
who doesn't wear a hijab, but the paper said there was no mention of the
word prostitute in the sermon.

During the sermon al Hilali said: 

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in
the garden, or in the park, or in the backyard without cover, and the cats
come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?"
The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in
her hijab, no problem would have occurred."  

The Australian also reported that he said women were "weapons" used by
"Satan" to control men.

Pru Goward, Australia's Sex Discrimination Commissioner said "It's
incitement to a crime. Young Muslim men who now rape women can cite 
this in court, can quote this man - their leader, in court".
 
"It's time we stopped just saying he should apologise. It's time the
Islamic community did more then say they were horrified. I think it's 
time he was asked to go." 

In fairness, Islamic groups have tried to disassociate themselves from 
Mr al-Hilali's remarks. The Islamic Council of New South Wales said his
comments were "un-Islamic, un-Australian and unacceptable". 

Waleed Aly, a member of the Islamic Council of Victoria state, said that
the comments would result in more antagonism toward Muslims. "I am
expecting a deluge of hate mail. I am expecting people to get abused 
in the street and get abused at work," he said.

The men who committed these dreadful crimes are behind bars, and
hopefully, their lengthy sentences will deter like-minded people from all
backgrounds.

73 - David, G4EBT @ GB7FCR

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