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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Wednesday, June 23, 2004.

1. Re: Igate Map
2. Re: WinAPRS filters
3. Help connecting WinAPRS via TCP/IP
4. Re: WinAPRS filters
5. RE: Help connecting WinAPRS via TCP/IP
6. Re: Igate Map
7. Anderson Power Poles...
8. Re: WinAPRS filters
9. Re: Anderson Power Poles...
10. Re: WinAPRS filters now CWxxxx on main feed
11. Re: WinAPRS filters now CWxxxx on main feed
12. Re: WinAPRS filters
13. Re: WinAPRS filters
14. Re: WinAPRS filters now CWxxxx on main feed
15. Re: WinAPRS filters now CWxxxx on main feed
16. Re: WinAPRS filters
17. Re: WinAPRS filters
18.  Re: CWxxxx on main feed
19. Re: WinAPRS filters
20. RE:  Re: CWxxxx on main feed
21. Re: WinAPRS filters
22. Re: WinAPRS filters now CWxxxx on main feed
23. Fwd: [amsat-bb] ECHO -- Special Update
24. APRS at Fielday (get your portable digis going NOW!)
25. Re: [amsat-bb] APRS at Fielday (get your portable digis going NOW!)
26. Re: [amsat-bb] APRS at Fielday (get your portable digis going NOW!)
27. RE: APRS at Fielday (get your portable digis going NOW!)

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Subject: Re: Igate Map
From: "Keith - VE7GDH" <ve7gdh@rac.ca>
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:57:57 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1

Wilson said June 20, 2004 5:13 PM
>WJ3G-4 should be visible or 4021.00N/07624.79W.
>What I'm want to find out is where is the closest igate. Trying to find out
>if it would be a benefit for me to set on up or not.

Any comments from stations that operate mobile anywhere near Lebanon PA?
There is a digi right there, and a few scattered around that look like
they should be able to hear each other, but would anyone care to comment
on whether they make it "into the system" in that neighbourhood? When I
made the map up for Wilson, I was a bit surprised at the lack of mobile
stations showing up around the area that he was asking about.

73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
--
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am."

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters
From: "Bill Vodall" <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:36:22 -0700
X-Message-Number: 2

>I connect to APRS via TCP/IP.  Anyone know a convenient way to filter out
>the CW#### objects in WinAPRS ?

Dumb question maybe, but why are these on the standard feed anyway?  Can't
the data be gathered without distributing them along with the amateur
stations?

Bill - WA7NWP

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Subject: Help connecting WinAPRS via TCP/IP
From: Doug McFadden <kc7imr@orednet.org>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 01:15:59 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 3

Help! I'm trying to connect WinAPRS to the APRS net servers via TCP/IP.

It never connects, fails everytime no mater which server tried, yet the
net connection works fine, browsers etc.

Anyone know what I've overlooked???........... yes the list is "tab"
delimited???

Doug/KC7IMR

Trying to establish voice contact ... please yell into your keyboard.

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:13:07 -0400
X-Message-Number: 4

What's wrong with having them on the main feed?  I find the data very
useful.  

Not sure about WinAPRS, but Xastir and UIView32 can easily remove stations
from your screen that you don't want to see.  In UIV, you can manually
select individual stations or entire destination addresses or symbols.  Easy
as a few mouse clicks!

73s,
Eric KF4OTN

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Subject: RE: Help connecting WinAPRS via TCP/IP
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:15:01 -0400
X-Message-Number: 5

What servers are you trying to connect to?  Send the addresses and ports as
they are listed in your file.  Also, is your validation number entered?

73s,
Eric KF4OTN

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Subject: Re: Igate Map
From: "Ken Brown" <W2KB@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:23:36 -0400
X-Message-Number: 6

I see on the RF map an Igate about 35 miles north of Lebanon, PA - K3BZG-2
which posit arrived via a single digi hop.  No other I-gates that I see in
the area, but I would only see those that make it to my QTH which is Lebanon
Township, NJ (*not* PA <g>) (see map.findu.com/w2kb* ) I am about 90 miles
east northeast of Lebanon, PA

It's likely that at least some posits would make it, I suppose.

73,  ---Ken  W2KB

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Subject: Anderson Power Poles...
From: "Joe B. Dorn" <joedorn@stonemedia.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:03:24 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7

I have the MFJ APP power distribution panels (one each) and they come with
'40-amp' modules. The only difference is the metal inserts; the shells will
connect to the '30-amp' shells. I have to double the smaller wires before I
solder them in.

MFJ also has a tool that allows me to 're-round' the metal inserts after
soldering and crimping. The tool, available elsewhere, costs about ten
dollars, you do not need the high dollar one ($80.00) to make good solid
connections. I have converted many power cables over to the APPs and still
have a few to go. I usually cut the old cable into convenient sizes and put
connecters on both pieces so that I can quickly revert back to other power
sources or connect to almost any 12v source.

After you get the technique down, it takes about five minutes per pair to
put them together.

BTW, the MFJ products are at least as good as the other panels on the market
and two models have the 12v meter on them.

Joe Dorn, W5VEX, Belton, Texas
Trustee W5BEC 147.140 (PL 123)
Bell County ARES AEC
(254) 939-5918
Instructor & Mentor ARRL EC Courses (all levels)
Instructor USPS Weather Course

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters
From: "Dick Stanich" <dick@kb7zva.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 9:43:18
X-Message-Number: 8

>Dumb question maybe, but why are these on the standard feed anyway?  Can't the
>data be gathered without distributing them along with the amateur stations?

Not a dumb question <g>. Some are hams like you and me. They prefer to use 
the CWxxxx calls as part of the CWOP program. The data is real-time and put 
their by individuals. They are not objects. Also, they only appear on the 
internet feed not RF.

More information on the Citizens Weather Program...

http://www.wxqa.com

It may be possible to NOT see CW's, depending on whether your application 
has an include/exclude parameter. Ui-View32 does. Not sure about others.

Dick, KB7ZVA
APRSWest

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Subject: Re: Anderson Power Poles...
From: "Richard Amirault" <ramirault@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:58:17 -0400
X-Message-Number: 9

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe B. Dorn"
Subject: [aprssig] Anderson Power Poles...
(snip)
>I usually cut the old cable into convenient sizes and put
>connecters on both pieces so that I can quickly revert back to other power
>sources or connect to almost any 12v source.

I don't understand ... you "cut the old cable into convienent sizes" ...
"sizes"?? more than one size? more than one cable per radio? and then you
say "... put connectors on both pieces..."  How many connectors on each
piece?

What I generally do is leave the original connector on the radio/cable but
but make a cut a few inches up and install two pair of APP connectors at the
cut .. this way I can disconnect the short piece with an APP on one end and
the origianl connector on the other and use the remaining APP to power the
radio OR use the original connector as needed (with the APPs connected to
themselves)

Richard Amirault  Boston, MA
N1JDU

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters now CWxxxx on main feed
From: "Bill Vodall" <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:38:37 -0700
X-Message-Number: 10

>Not a dumb question <g>. Some are hams like you and me. They prefer to use
>the CWxxxx calls as part of the CWOP program. The data is real-time and put
>their by individuals. They are not objects. Also, they only appear on the
>internet feed not RF.
> 
>More information on the Citizens Weather Program...
> 
>http://www.wxqa.com

Citizens Weather is a very valuable and good program.   It is indeed useful
information to have access to.   However it is not Amateur Radio, not
packet and not APRS.    It is "distracting" to hook up to a feed, normally
for me the aprswest port, to see the "APRS active hams in my vicinity" and
then have to mentally filter out the extra CWxxxx stations that appear.

These seem to be a much better fit with all the other extremely useful but
non-ham activity of Firenet.

>It may be possible to NOT see CW's, depending on whether your application
>has an include/exclude parameter. Ui-View32 does. Not sure about others.

Being able to choose to Opt-in rather then opt-out would be better - IM!HO.

This isn't a big thing, just a personal annoyance...

73
Bill - WA7NWP

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters now CWxxxx on main feed
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:52:43 -0400
X-Message-Number: 11

Bill, 
What software are you using (or are you the original poster)?  Most software
supports filtering so you don't have to see them.

I don't know how you can say it is not APRS.  It may not be amateur radio in
the sense that it is not on RF, but it is APRS.

Eric KF4OTN

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters
From: Henk de Groot <henk.de.groot@hetnet.nl>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:00:36 +0200
X-Message-Number: 12

At 07:13 23-6-2004 -0400, Christensen, Eric wrote:
>What's wrong with having them on the main feed?  I find the data very
>useful.

Because it is not APRS? If you followed last month's discussion it should 
be obvious that non APRS traffic is not acceptable on the APRS-IS.

Kind regards,

Henk.

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:12:47 -0400
X-Message-Number: 13

But it IS APRS.  It isn't some kind of foreign packet.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Henk de Groot [mailto:henk.de.groot@hetnet.nl]

At 07:13 23-6-2004 -0400, Christensen, Eric wrote:
>What's wrong with having them on the main feed?  I find the data very
>useful.

Because it is not APRS? If you followed last month's discussion it should 
be obvious that non APRS traffic is not acceptable on the APRS-IS.

Kind regards,

Henk.

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters now CWxxxx on main feed
From: "Bill Vodall" <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:17:07 -0700
X-Message-Number: 14

>Bill,
>What software are you using (or are you the original poster)?  Most software
>supports filtering so you don't have to see them.

I use them all and more that I've written.

I like firenet.  I know the data is there -- if I want to see it.  I don't
have to make an effort to keep it from diluting my view of the Amateur
Universe.

>I don't know how you can say it is not APRS.  It may not be amateur radio in
>the sense that it is not on RF, but it is APRS.

How can you say it's APRS if it's not on the air?  Actually, only Bob can
say what is or isn't APRS but I'd wager that his definition of it being a
"Real Time Tactical Communication System" doesn't really fit with pure
Internet based data acquisition.

Now if these CWxxxx folks were to feed a nearby ham with MURS or Wifi and
that ham resent the postings ON THE AIR where the Igates could gather it,
that would be cool!

73,
Bill - WA7NWP

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters now CWxxxx on main feed
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:27:45 -0400
X-Message-Number: 15

Bill,
I think it CAN be sent out by IGates.  Although a possibly "risky" scenerio,
but UIV will allow TCPXX packets out on to the air (by changing an internal
switch).

So, are you saying that my laptop that I use in my dorm isn't APRS because
it isn't on the air???

Eric KF4OTN

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters
From: Henk de Groot <henk.de.groot@hetnet.nl>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:25:50 +0200
X-Message-Number: 16

At 16:12 23-6-2004 -0400, Christensen, Eric wrote:
>But it IS APRS.  It isn't some kind of foreign packet.

Which page in the APRS-Spec, I must have missed it? I also can't find it on 
Bob's errata page.

Kind regards,

Henk.

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters
From: "Gregg G. Wonderly" <gregg@skymaster.cytetech.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:35:21 -0500
X-Message-Number: 17

>But it IS APRS.  It isn't some kind of foreign packet.  

This will start another flurry of bickering...

What is at issue for APRS-IS transported data is the rate of arrival and
the magnitude of the data can be overwhelming to the station receiving the
data. The filtering programs and hubs can provide some help here.  But, I
would suggest that this type of application, much like firenet really needs
an alternate channel that can be explicitly managed by the user.  In some
sense, it is almost a different protocol from the perspective of the use of
the information.  But, because the data has been pushed into the APRS
system using APRS packets, some will argue that this alone makes it APRS.

The usefulness and the quality of the data has to be there for the users.
We only really get to hear what the unexpecting users talk about usually.
In this case, Bill commented that it is personally annoying to him.  We are
a self policing group.  I think it might be time to start working on a
filter API that the APRS clients can use that makes things appear in the UI
that are obvious to the user.  Classifying large bandwidth streams of data
for quick filtering would seem like a great idea.

From a user interface design perspective, I could imagine that I might see
a table with checkboxes allowing me to receive some of these large streams
of packets.  In that table would also be any recently received packet that
has matched the filter while it was disabled (I could receive those
packets). Then, I could visually note the relationship between the checkbox
and the type of packet that would apply.  There are of course other ways...

I'll set back and watch the flurry...

-----
gregg@cytetech.com  (Cyte Technologies Inc)

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Subject:  Re: CWxxxx on main feed
From: "Bill Vodall" <wa7nwp@jnos.org>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:55:58 -0700
X-Message-Number: 18

>I think it CAN be sent out by IGates.  Although a possibly "risky" scenerio,
>but UIV will allow TCPXX packets out on to the air (by changing an internal
>switch).

Yes.  It can and it should be.  I think it would be a great project for
some of those wide area digi's being used by APRS to switch frequency and
constantly spew forth large portions of the APRS-IS as well as firenet
data...

>So, are you saying that my laptop that I use in my dorm isn't APRS because
>it isn't on the air???

It's Radio/RF that makes what we do special!  Take that away and all we
have is some 2nd rate Instant Messaging clients.   The Internet feed is
good for a fallback option when RF isn't available but it should never be
the end goal.

Have you tried RF in the dorm room?  That's probably a serious challenge
these days with the insulated buildings and computer generated RF.

73,
Bill - WA7NWP

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:04:39 -0400
X-Message-Number: 19

Hmmm... How about under weather packets.  You will note that CW Weather
stations send their data out in APRS format just like any other weather
station that is on the IS or APRS RF world that is transmitting in the APRS
Weather form.

73s,
Eric KF4OTN

-----Original Message-----
From: Henk de Groot [mailto:henk.de.groot@hetnet.nl]

At 16:12 23-6-2004 -0400, Christensen, Eric wrote:
>But it IS APRS.  It isn't some kind of foreign packet.

Which page in the APRS-Spec, I must have missed it? I also can't find it on 
Bob's errata page.

Kind regards,

Henk.

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Subject: RE:  Re: CWxxxx on main feed
From: "Christensen, Eric" <CHRISTENSENE@MAIL.ECU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:16:05 -0400
X-Message-Number: 20

Bill,
Actually, it would work well EXCEPT my HT isn't putting out the umph that I
need...  :(  A neighborhood I-Gate that is local to me gives me my local
stuff...  And yes, it is extremely difficult to hear the traffic from behind
the concrete and steal...  

But we have so much more than the IMs do.

73s,
Eric KF4OTN

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Vodall [mailto:wa7nwp@jnos.org]

>I think it CAN be sent out by IGates.  Although a possibly "risky" scenerio,
>but UIV will allow TCPXX packets out on to the air (by changing an internal
>switch).

Yes.  It can and it should be.  I think it would be a great project for
some of those wide area digi's being used by APRS to switch frequency and
constantly spew forth large portions of the APRS-IS as well as firenet
data...

>So, are you saying that my laptop that I use in my dorm isn't APRS because
>it isn't on the air???

It's Radio/RF that makes what we do special!  Take that away and all we
have is some 2nd rate Instant Messaging clients.   The Internet feed is
good for a fallback option when RF isn't available but it should never be
the end goal.

Have you tried RF in the dorm room?  That's probably a serious challenge
these days with the insulated buildings and computer generated RF.

73,
Bill - WA7NWP

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters
From: Fritz Anderson <fritza@manoverboard.org>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:41:10 -0500
X-Message-Number: 21

On 23 Jun 2004, at 3:25 PM, Henk de Groot wrote:

>At 16:12 23-6-2004 -0400, Christensen, Eric wrote:
>>But it IS APRS.  It isn't some kind of foreign packet.
>
>Which page in the APRS-Spec, I must have missed it? I also can't find
>it on Bob's errata page.

This is not a forthright response. The CWnnnn traffic on APRS-IS is 
formatted perfectly legally as weather reports, specifications for 
which overflow the reference manual. Software that parses APRS packets 
will parse CWx packets. So in the technical sense in which this 
exchange is framed, it's not a foreign packet.

The technical issue is separate from whether such packets "are APRS" in 
some social sense: Whether they should be welcome in a non-ham 
communications system that happens also to carry APRS (by the "social" 
definition of "ham-legal") traffic.

My own, naive impression is that (1) CWx traffic is not immoral; (2) it 
does not affect the amateur service, as it is never injected into ham 
spectrum; (3) it is no burden to APRS-IS in its support to over-the-air 
APRS, as carrying CWx does not put APRS-IS anywhere near saturation,* 
and uninterested users can ignore it with trivial effort. In short, it 
doesn't seem to be any of my business, and the question should be left 
to whoever "owns" APRS-IS to use it as s/he pleases.

This, however, is a naive opinion, and I have not had the benefit of 
earlier discussions. My best wishes go to both sides, who are obviously 
motivated by concern for a valuable resource.

	-- F, WT9T

* Yeah, the main feed is a fire hose, but handling the traffic of the 
main feed in my plotting program takes up about 5-10% of the CPU. This 
is on a PowerBook G4 800MHz, which is hardly a monster machine. The big 
speed expense in such a program (I'm finding) comes from maintaining a 
working database of stations and objects, not in receiving and 
classifying packets to the point where a "no CWx" filter could pass on 
them. The volume of the main feed is not great enough to be a real 
constraint on CPU.

As for line bandwidth, I find the main feed delivers 600-1200 packets a 
minute. Call it 800, and assume an average packet length of 120 bytes, 
and you get a speed of 12.8 kbits/sec. Bad news if you're on a 9600 
baud modem, but a quarter the capacity of a 56K modem. (Usual caveats 
about back-of-the-envelope estimates.)

And now that it's mentioned, I'll consider filtering CWx out by default.

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Subject: Re: WinAPRS filters now CWxxxx on main feed
From: Jon Anhold <jon@snoopy.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:13:23 -0400
X-Message-Number: 22

Can't you filter them out with the filters on the user defined ports?

73 de N8USK,

-j

Bill Vodall wrote:

>I like firenet.  I know the data is there -- if I want to see it.  I don't have
>to make an effort to keep it from diluting my view of the Amateur Universe.

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Subject: Fwd: [amsat-bb] ECHO -- Special Update
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:57:56 -0400
X-Message-Number: 23

Packet Satellite ready for launch. Contributions welcome!

>>><VEFRH@aol.com> 6/23/04 8:06:21 PM >>>
.... ECHO has now been integrated onto the launch vehicle and we are
awaiting Launch  which will is scheduled around NOON local time at the
launch site  on Tuesday the 29th of June.  As the Launch site is some 10
hours ahead of  Eastern Daylight Time (USA and  Canada) this means we
should have some knowledge  of the mission success - when we wake up that
morning.

Our ECHO Launch fund  stands at $97,450 today (June 23) can we get it to
the $100K by launch time?.  Phone in to add to the total  (301-589-6062).

Are you looking for  up to date information on ECHO? if so call the Office
and ask Martha to send you  a copy of the new Book "ECHO, Operation,
Development and Specifications" by  Gould Smith WA4SXM, it is quite
inexpensive and contains all you may want to  know about this new bird.

Yes! Martha takes orders over the Phone, if you  have a suitable credit
Card Available.  Demand for the book is strong so we  have just had extra
copies printed for  you. Frequencies, data rates  etc  are all included.
There is even some information on the Baikonur  Launch site in Kazakhstan,
together with pictures of  ECHO's construction  trays.

More news as it comes in .....

73
Robin Haighton  VE3FRH
President AMSAT  

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Subject: APRS at Fielday (get your portable digis going NOW!)
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:50:56 -0400
X-Message-Number: 24

Bring APRS to Field Day.  It is worth 100 points! Just Play and demo APRS,
that's all you gotta do.. Here are the rules:

>7.3.10. Non-Traditional Mode Demonstrations: 
>...100 points ...for setting up a demo of... APRS...
>
>7.3.10.1. ... This system must include a temporary, 
>portable node [digi] and must be completely separate 
>from the existing packet infrastructure  of your area. 

Here is my recommendation:

1)  Park a Kenwood D700 on a GOOD hill (or build a
     temporary digi and string its antenna in a tall tree!]

2)  Use a Laptop to set its UITRACE to "FD" and also:

3)  Set its BText every 10 minutes to something like:
     !DDMM.hhNFDDDMM.hhW#FD digi.  Use path via FD7-7

4)  Set its UNPROTO to APRSFD VIA FD7-7

Now then we will have a completely independent FD infrastructure yet, we
can go 7 hops... between everyone else's FD digis.  A good place to park a
temporary D700 digi may be on the roof of a high parking garage...

There is noting in the rules that prohibits this from being anywhere near
your FD site.  Choose the BEST hill or mountain around.  Choose the exact
hill you would use in a REAL emergency to re- establsih the APRS
infrastgructure in a real emergency if your digis were knowcked out! Also,
you can set up more than one!

ALL APRS DEMO stations remain on 144.39 so that they have something to demo
(if no other FD digis are in range) yet they can only transmit via FD7-7.

Unfortunately since this is using the UITRACE, all these packets will come
in with callsign substituted and so they can only be counted if the path
adds up. THus these would be VALID:

K4HG>APRS,FD7-7                    <heard direct
K4HG>APRS,W1ABC,FD7-6      <heard via one hop
K4HG>APRS,W1ABC,K2ABC,FD7-5      <via 2 hops
K4HG>APRS,W1ABC,K2ABC,N3AB,FD7-4     <etc
and so forth...

The decremented FDn-N will prove that the callsign was a substitution of an
FD7-7 original packet and not someone spoofing the system.

AND AT THE END OF FD, turn UITRACE OFF.

This will work like APRS was designed for!  Come-as-you-are instant
network development in the field. Lets do it!!!

For your FD demo station PLEASE use the PORTABLE or TENT icon so that we
can easily see each other and or filter the map to display only other FD
stations and mobiles.  In APRSdos, just hit the J-M keys for JUST-MOBILES
and it will include the FD sites...

Did I miss anything???

de WB4APR, Bob

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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] APRS at Fielday (get your portable digis going	NOW!)
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:37:03 -0400
X-Message-Number: 25

Additional FD ideas:

1) Set your mobile and Home station paths VIA FD7-7. You cannot use them
for points if you also work at a FD site, but Others can use your station
for points.  Set it for auto-message-reply with the proper response "QSL 1D
XXX" where XXX is your ARRl section.

2) Encourage others to set up temporary digis by starting TONIGHT to send a
local APRS bulletin to your local area as follows:

BLN1: Pse set up temp/portable DIGI for FD with UITRACE set to FD.
BLN2: If ur digi is a D700, U must use a laptop to configure UITRACE
BLN3: and Beacon.  Set BText to !DDMM.hhF/DDDMM.hhW#FDn-N digi!
BLN4: Use only the path of VIA FD7-7 for FD credit.

This will only work if we get the word out. contact every ACTIVE APRS
person you can find. 2 days to go!

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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] APRS at Fielday (get your portable digis going	NOW!)
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:41:54 -0400
X-Message-Number: 26

APRS FD note #3:

I can also interpret the requirement that the APRS demo system must include
a portable/temporary node (digi) as not requring EVERY FD site to also set
up its own digi, but that its PATH must use such a digi.  Thus stations not
invloved in FD can assist OTHER FD stations by setting up as many portable
temporary UITRACE FD digis as possible and everyone can use them...  But it
MUST be a complete temporary lash up...   WB4APR, Bob

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Subject: RE: APRS at Fielday (get your portable digis going NOW!)
From: "Andrew Rich" <vk4tec@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:59:47 +1000
X-Message-Number: 27

I will start swimming now !

AUSTRALIA

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Andrew Rich (VK4TEC)

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