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TAPR APRS Special Interest Group Digest for Thursday, June 24, 2004.

1. Re: [amsat-bb] APRS at Fielday (get your	portable digis going	NOW!)
2. Wi-Fi finds the way when GPS can't
3. FireNet Server Status
4. APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN
5. Re: APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN
6. FW: Update APRServe2.txt
7. Re: APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN
8. HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
9. Re: APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN
10. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
11. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
12. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
13. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
14. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
15. APRS FD now on 144.39 !!! (grumble)
16. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
17. Re: APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN
18. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
19. RE: APRS FD now on 144.39 !!! (grumble)
20. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
21. APRS, Packet Radio, and Fieldday
22. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
23. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC
24. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
25. Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
26. Re: APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN

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Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] APRS at Fielday (get your portable digis going NOW!)
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 00:18:50 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

APRS FD note #4

Actually this will work MUCH better if we are NOT on 144.39 with all the
QRM.  I recommend 145.01 in any area where the freuqency is not busy.
Whatever freq you do use in your area, just put up a repeating bulletin on
144.39 telling everyone WHAT FREQ to go to for APRS FD.  This will FULLY
meet the FD intent of shownig what kind of network we can build
in-the-field-on-a-moments-notice.

Remember also, if you QSY your normal HOME APRS station to the APRS FD
frequency and operate it as a 1D class FD station, then others CAN use it
as a HOP in the FD7-7 scheme too, if you set your UITRACE parameter to FD.

I appologize for putting this on the AMSAT-BB, but since many AMSAT
stations will have packet at their FD sites to work the ISS or Sapphire,
this is just telling them how to get 100 points for APRS while waiting for
the next pass.   Tomorrow I will summarize all this on a WEB page for easy
reference. de WB4APR, Bob

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Subject: Wi-Fi finds the way when GPS can't
From: "Tim Makins, EI8IC" <contesting@eircom.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:29:44 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2

WI-FI FINDS THE WAY
Deep in the concrete canyons of city centres, GPS often fails 
because high buildings block the signals they rely on. But an 
unlikely back-up for GPS is emerging that works best in cities and 
inside cavernous complexes like shopping malls: Wi-Fi. New software 
uses the signals from Wi-Fi base stations to calculate a user's 
position. Its developers predict that Wi-Fi could become central to 
new location-based applications, and that the emergency services in 
particular could find the system an essential back-up...MORE

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996058

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Subject: FireNet Server Status
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:57:34 -0700
X-Message-Number: 3

Just wanted to let you know that I've been upgrading a few things on the
firenet.us  FireNet server and have had to reboot and take it up and down a
few times in the last week or so.  Sorry for the inconvenience this has
caused but should be stable again.  Normally, only take it down for critical
updates....or every 180 days, which ever comes first!

Jim, WA6OFT
FireNet Coordinator

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Subject: APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:20:26 -0400
X-Message-Number: 4

To consolidate the details for operating APRS at Field Day on a totally
independent freq (probably 145.01 MHz) see:

http://web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/aprs/aprs-fd.html

It will be updated with any new changes or ideas between now and field day.
This will be the last email on the AMSAT-BB.  Thanks for your patience.

de WB4APR, Bob

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Subject: Re: APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN
From: "Spider" <spider@rivcom.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:01:12 -0700
X-Message-Number: 5

I thought part of the purpose of Field Day was to prove the systems we have
built.  If we move off the stuff we've built, we prove nothing as to all the
efforts we've put into building whatever it is we build as Amateurs.
Although I have not looked at your plan, I hope it includes testing local
networks to verify they can survive!

Just my 23 cent thoughts.

Jim, WA6OFT

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Subject: FW: Update APRServe2.txt
From: "Gerhard F5VAG" <f5vag@nerim.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:35:19 +0200
X-Message-Number: 6

If someone on this list should be interested in some tangible assets:
The APRS2 community grows constantly.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gerhard F5VAG [mailto:f5vag@nerim.net]
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:13 AM
>To: Aprs2net@Yahoogroups. Com
>Subject: [aprs2net] Update APRServe2.txt
> 
>I've updated the list with all main ports of all Tier 2 servers.
>It is PnP for UI-View as a customer service.
> 
>You'll find the list here:
>http://france.aprs2.net/APRServe2.txt
> 
>How to use it here:
>http://france.aprs2.net/download2.html
> 
>--
>73 de Gerhard, F5VAG / DL7MW
>APRSFR: http://france.aprs2.net

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Subject: Re: APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:50:56 -0400
X-Message-Number: 7

>>>"Spider" <spider@rivcom.net> 6/24/04 2:01:12 PM >>>
>I thought part of the purpose of Field Day was to prove 
>the systems we have built.  If we move off the stuff 
>we've built, we prove nothing as to all the efforts we've 
>put into building whatever it is we build as Amateurs.

Problem is, the ARRL and FD committee writes the rules and they say APRS is
invalid for FD unless it is totally independent of the existing
infrastructure...  Bob

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Subject: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:49:31 -0400
X-Message-Number: 8

>>>"Despain, Jeffrey  CDR NDW Central Ops" <jeffrey.despain@navy.mil>
Effective July 1, members of the Metropolitan Police Department will
begin enforcing the Distracted Driving Safety Act of 2004.

The Act generally prohibits operators of motor vehicles from using a
mobile telephone or other electronic device while operating a motor
vehicle in the District of Columbia, except when equipped with a built
in speaker or a hands-free accessory. ...

(a) No person shall use a mobile telephone or other electronic device
while operating a moving motor vehicle in the District of Columbia
unless the telephone or device is equipped with a hands-free accessory.
Except for:

    (1) Emergency use of a mobile telephone, including calls to 911 or
311, a hospital, an ambulance service provider, a fire department, a law
enforcement agency, or a first-aid squad;

    (2) Use of a mobile telephone by law enforcement and emergency
personnel or by a driver of an authorized emergency vehicle, acting
within the scope of official duties; or

    (3) Initiating or terminating a telephone call, or turning the
telephone on or off.

The penalty for violating this Act shall be a notice of infraction,
which carries a fine of $100.

 *-----------------------------------
Notice, the first paragraph says a speaker -or- a hands-free
device.

But sub para (a) requires only the "hands-free" device...
thus, interpretation says HAM radio is illegal....?

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Subject: Re: APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN
From: "Herb Gerhardt" <hgerhardt@wavecable.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:54:05 -0700
X-Message-Number: 9

Let the ARRL play their stupid games, we will play ours!  Yes, I am playing
Field Day but it will be my way!  We will have a good time and still give
our groups practice in Emergency Communications.  Yes, I will have APRS set
up at our Field Day Site, but it will be on 144.39 where it should be!

I am getting sick and tired of the ARRL setting the "standards" that the
rest of us MUST live by!  Who are they anyways?  They are not god!  We are
all hams who love to support Ham Radio and our local Emergency Services
organizations and the ARRL is making that goal next to impossible.  We are
loosing members in Emergency Services because they do not want and refuse to
take the needless training that is demanded from the top (ARRL).  I think
they are killing our hobby.  I think it is time for them to change their
attitudes.

Let the daggers fly.  I promise not to respond to any of the replies, so
fire away.  I have said my peace, hopefully, some of the ARRL Leadership is
listening.

Herb, KB7UVC

No, I am not an ARRL Member nor an NRA Member.  I DO NOT WANT TO BE
ASSOCIATED WITH EITHER ORGANIZATION!

As a disclaimer to my local clubs and Emergency Services Groups that I
belong to, I AM SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND NOT FOR THEIR ENTIRE MEMBERSHIP even
though a number of them agree with my views!

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: "Tyler Allison" <tyler@allisonhouse.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:06:56 -0400 (EDT)
X-Message-Number: 10

>>>>"Despain, Jeffrey  CDR NDW Central Ops" <jeffrey.despain@navy.mil>
>Effective July 1, members of the Metropolitan Police Department will
>begin enforcing the Distracted Driving Safety Act of 2004.
>
>The Act generally prohibits operators of motor vehicles from using a
>mobile telephone or other electronic device while operating a motor
>vehicle in the District of Columbia, except when equipped with a built
>in speaker or a hands-free accessory. ...

It'll be thrown out by the first court it comes to. That language would
ban the use of a car radio, gps, cd player, etc.

Funny really....phone's are down around the 30th most distracting item in
a car according to multiple studies.

They should have banned eating, dressing, doing makeup and arguing with
your kids.

-Tyler

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: Fritz Anderson <fritza@manoverboard.org>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:51:00 -0500
X-Message-Number: 11

The act does not make ham radio illegal: You can still transmit ATV and 
APRS. You can still listen. You can use a VOX boom mike. So it doesn't 
prohibit ham radio.

Driving around with a PTT microphone in your hand is probably exactly the
sort of thing the act prohibits (and is meant to). "Other electronic
device," in the context of the act, may not mean absolutely anything with a
transistor; but keeping a mike in your mitt 24/7 would be considered in
pari materia with "us[ing] a mobile telephone," and part of what the city
council meant to regulate.

I think this is a dumb act as applied to ham and business radio -- people
have managed to use PTT devices mobile for decades with no noticeable
danger to the public -- but in a democracy, we let legislatures play with
live ammo.

	-- F

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: "Chuck Gooden" <cgooden@insightbb.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:53:53 -0500
X-Message-Number: 12

>It'll be thrown out by the first court it comes to. That language would
>ban the use of a car radio, gps, cd player, etc.
> 
>Funny really....phone's are down around the 30th most distracting item in
>acar according to multiple studies.
> 
>They should have banned eating, dressing, doing makeup and arguing with
>your kids.

Remember this is Washington DC where the laws are made by people that are
out of touch with reality and have no common sense.

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: "Laurie - g6isy" <g6isy@dsl.pipex.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:07:39 +0100
X-Message-Number: 13

Fritz Anderson wrote:
>
>I think this is a dumb act as applied to ham and business radio --
>people have managed to use PTT devices mobile for decades with no
>noticeable danger to the public

FWIW the legislation passed in the UK banning the use of hand held mobile
phones specifically allows the use of "2 way radio"
http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2003/20032695.htm Might be useful
info for anyone planning a trip to the UK.

-- 
73 Laurie - G6ISY

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: "Gregg G. Wonderly" <gregg@skymaster.cytetech.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:11:13 -0500
X-Message-Number: 14

>Notice, the first paragraph says a speaker -or- a hands-free
>device.
>
>But sub para (a) requires only the "hands-free" device...
>thus, interpretation says HAM radio is illegal....?

There is no difference between talking on a phone and talking on a ham
radio, except where the sound comes from.  So, the 'emergency use' business
is probably the only escape point.  Stopping before talking is probably
always the best idea.  The great thing about APRS is that most trackers
transmit your location without you having to be distracted to make that
happen.

I regularly encounter people weaving on the road driving 5-10 mph less than 
rush hour traffic.  This creates two safety issues.  One is that they are 
creating a traffic slowdown that will have secondary potential to cause a 
rearend collision.   Second, is that they are weaving which might result in
an unexpected lane change that might cause a side impact accident, or at
worst an glancing blow that would direct one or more vehicles into
oncomming traffic.

It's dangerous!  I really don't like it when anyone is given permission to
be dangerous on a roadway without just cause.

This action and other states that might follow may finally get the HAM
radio manufactures to create some better handsfree solutions for us.  But,
still, having to think about a conversation and drive at the same time is
still a distraction that is too much for some people.

-----
gregg@cytetech.com  (Cyte Technologies Inc)

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Subject: APRS FD now on 144.39 !!! (grumble)
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:00:14 -0400
X-Message-Number: 15

Based on feedback, and comments, no one can make any sense of the APRS demo
station Field Day rules.

Thus, ABANDON the plan of establishing a big temp/portable digi system on
145.01.  There is zero benefit under the existing rules.  DO YOUR DEMO on
144.39.

But to get the 100 bonus points, you must set up a temporary /portable digi
as part of your SYSTEM.

But there is where the rules fall apart.
1)  There is no requirement for ANY QSO's or contacts
2)  There is nothing to demo unless you are on 144.39
3)  The Repeater rule is not waived for APRS (like it is in the satellite
     bonus point rule)
4)  AND demo contacts DONT COUNT.
5)  Therefore with no reqirment to make any contacts and no contacts count
     for points, therefore you may as well USE a digipeater all you want,
     since the contacts dont count anyway.
6)  The only requirement is that YOUR portable packet system must be
     temporary and portable and must include a node (digi) and your
     portable/temporary system must not be part of any existing
     infrastructure.

Hence the only requirement to be met is #6.  A portable APRS station AND a
temporary/portable digi.  That being met, then maximize your DEMO by
operating on 144.39 NORMAL APRS and enjoy the event.  Make all the contacts
you want from 0 to  hundreds.  You get the same 100 points anway...

I recommend NOT making your portable/temp digi be RELAY, nor WIDE, nor
WIDEn-n, nor anything else.  It will only QRM the network.  Just digi
through it OUTBOUND by its explicit call.

Maybe NEXT year we can get the ARRL to let us operate for real by going to
145.01 and using ONLY our own FD ad-hoc network to see if we can really
work come-as-you-are as APRS was originally designed to do in the first
place!

This is all updated on the APRS FD web page:

http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/aprs-fd.html

Crawling back under my rock...

de WB4APR

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: "Ken Brown" <W2KB@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:01:02 -0400
X-Message-Number: 16

-----Original Message-----
>>>It'll be thrown out by the first court it comes to. That language would
ban the use of a car radio, gps, cd player, etc.<<<

I don't think that this forms a basis for a court to find the law
unconstitutional.  Having a driver's license has been determined by the
courts to be a privilege, and not a right, subject to whatever operating
rules the state (or District in this case) may choose to require.

Note that the intent may very well be to prohibit adjustments to the
broadcast radio, GPS, etc. which is viewed by some safety professionals as a
distraction from safe driving.  

As pointed out in another reply, APRS would be permitted so long as the rig
is not adjusted while the vehicle is being driven.  Likewise, an HF rig
using a vox mike (probably not handheld) would be acceptable behavior under
this law.  Just stick to a single frequency such as 7.255 or 7.258 for
instance.  Or build up a vox for the FM rig on the local repeater.  

That said, if I lived or worked there, I would be lobbying for an express
licensed amateur exemption in the statute.

73, --Ken W2KB

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Subject: Re: APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN
From: "Robert Bruninga" <bruninga@usna.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:01:52 -0400
X-Message-Number: 17

You are right!  Lets stay on 144.39
I was wrong to try to make any sense of those stupid ARRL rules.  DEMO APRS
on 144.39 ENJOY! Sorry for the confusion..

de WB4APR, Bob

>>>"Herb Gerhardt" <hgerhardt@wavecable.com> 6/24/04 5:54:05 PM >>>
Let the ARRL play their stupid games, we will play ours!  Yes, I am playing
Field Day but it will be my way!  We will have a good time and still give
our groups practice in Emergency Communications.  Yes, I will have APRS set
up at our Field Day Site, but it will be on 144.39 where it should be!

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: Drew Baxter <droobie@maine.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:10:35 -0400
X-Message-Number: 18

Here in this state (Maine), or Governor said any cell-phone bill would 
exclude Amateur Radio operators because they are a cut above the rest and 
need to be able to use their radios while driving.

I feel pretty safe here about it.  I'd just like to get the 16 or 17  year 
olds swerving all over the place doing the phone balancing act off the road 
in some form or another.

I'm tired of seeing big SUV drivers here with one up ot their ear too.  If 
you can afford an Escalade, you can afford a 200$ car kit.

--Droo, K1XVM

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Subject: RE: APRS FD now on 144.39 !!! (grumble)
From: "Wilson G. Hein" <wilson.hein@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:32:37 -0400
X-Message-Number: 19

Just like you all didn't want ot on 144.39, those of us left on 145.01 etc.
really don't want aprs on our connected mode frequencies.

>-----Original Message-----
>Maybe NEXT year we can get the ARRL to let us
>operate for real by going to 145.01 and using ONLY
>our own FD ad-hoc network to see if we can really
>work come-as-you-are as APRS was originally designed
>to do in the first place!

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: "dd" <ddillaby@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:33:07 -0400
X-Message-Number: 20

Does this mean no one will get upset if I stop in the passing lane of a
highway to talk on the ham radio, just to be in "compliance"?  Besides that,
what makes cops, firefighters and EMT's any different from anyone else using
a two-way radio? It's just as much of a distraction.

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Subject: APRS, Packet Radio, and Fieldday
From: "Michael Francoeur" <mfranc@prexar.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:00:40 -0400
X-Message-Number: 21

Folks, don't lump APRS and packet radio together!  The ARRL is talking
about old time packet radio so

1) Demonstrate APRS (using 144.39) for 100 points

2) Demonstrate traditional (old fashioned?) packet radio using a portable
digipeater 100 points

These modes are separate from each other as one is tactical and the other
is point to point so demonstrate both for 200 points.

- Mike/N1NAF participating as part of the WA1WA FD Team

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: Dale Blanchard <wa7ixk@arrl.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:34:35 -0700
X-Message-Number: 22

Gregg G. Wonderly wrote:

>>Notice, the first paragraph says a speaker -or- a hands-free
>>device.
>>
>>But sub para (a) requires only the "hands-free" device...
>>thus, interpretation says HAM radio is illegal....?
>
>There is no difference between talking on a phone and talking on a ham radio, 
>except where the sound comes from.  So, the 'emergency use' business is 
>probably the only escape point.  Stopping before talking is probably always 
>the best idea.  The great thing about APRS is that most trackers transmit your 
>location without you having to be distracted to make that happen.

Cell phone users have to hold the phone to their ear which makes it more
distracting than a mike  and seperate speaker. Many phone calls are more
emotional that normal two way radio. Watch some of the people on a pay
phones dancing around and waving there arms. It is the distracting
personality not the object you are using. A ticket can be issued for
inatention anyway so are more laws needed.

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC
From: bob evinger <wd9eka@evinger.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:44:38 -0500 (CDT)
X-Message-Number: 23

I was a little miffed at the exemption as well, but being an EMT one has 
to consider the nature of the communication. When we go on a run, we 
notify dispatch when we roll from the station, we monitor the frequency in 
route and sometimes get scene updates, we notify dispatch when we are on 
scene, when we leave the scene and when we get to the hospital. Very 
minimal comm's take place while the rig is rolling and when they do it is 
one of us in the back talking to the hospital. What calls the drivers make 
are almost always extremely short. No lengthy qso's(just the facts ma'am 
:)  )

Our local fire dept is about the same way, very minimal comms enroute and 
it wouldnt surprise me if the guy in the right seat is running the radio. 
When I have someone in the right seat on the way to the scene they usually 
take care of the radio for me in the ambulance.

But I'm not in dc, I am very near Nowhere USA ( or at least that is what 
Steve Martin called it 20 some years ago. )

  bob

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, dd wrote:

>Does this mean no one will get upset if I stop in the passing lane of a
>highway to talk on the ham radio, just to be in "compliance"?  Besides that,
>what makes cops, firefighters and EMT's any different from anyone else using
>a two-way radio? It's just as much of a distraction.

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: "Mike Yetsko" <myetsko@insydesw.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:23:06 -0400
X-Message-Number: 24

Well, I have to disagree about the method of the call.

Ham radio, and 2-way radio in general, is not as save as not doing anything
but driving.  But I have to say that I believe it's only marginally more
unsafe than allowing adjusting the broadcast radio.

For most people.

There are idiots out that there would NEVER make it as a pilot, let alone a
pilot that might face combat or other non-flying stressful situations while
flying.

Fighter pilots train so much so that they can "FLY FIRST!"  Then if they
have to do something else, like fight, the flying is easy.  They can do it
with a higer priority than anything else and still leave mental room to
at least plan the next steps to handle the current situation.

If they have the think about their flying, then trying to handle combat
or whatever means they don't fly, and they quickly become an entry
in a datasheet.

These same idiots have to devote total attention to their radio, or their
cigarette (hey, outlaw lighting cigarettes while moving!) and impact
their driving in the process.

Now, where phones come in it's a double whammy.  Phones are full duplex,
REGARDLESS of how you hold them, or dial them, or whatever.  As a result,
there are a lot of people that DO get distrated by phones.  Combined with
the fact that they impact their driving to hold the stupid thing to their
ear, or press a button, or whatever, it is a lethal combination.

And personally, I think hands-free kits only MARGINALLY help these people.
They STILL concentrate too much on the phone call instead of driving.

"DRIVE FIRST!"

I have to say that I think the law is BS.  It's another example of a 'one
percenter'.  Do something to fix 1% of a problem and break 99%.  But hey,
you fixed the problem.

Why not pass a law about 'inattentive driving' in general?  Because some
idiotic lawmakers can't see the root of the problem, and insist on the 1%
because that's the easy cop-out.

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Subject: Re: HAM radio outlawed while in motion in Wash DC?
From: "Brian  Riley (maillist)" <n1bq_list@wulfden.org>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:13:05 -0400
X-Message-Number: 25

I beg to differ, there is a significant difference between a cordset
microphone w/PTT use and  cellular phone use. The actions are different.
Most of us probably cannot remember the last time we looked at the
microphone for longer than the fraction of second it takes to locate it and
pick it up. A cell phone takes considerably more visual time to setup and
use each time. It also requires considerable diversion of attention
resources to keep the speaker aligned with your ear.

Add to this that the nature of phone calls is different from the nature of
ham radio chitchat. Phone calls are person-to-person and the called person
rarely understands the exigencies of your driving. They demand your
attention.  Ham radio chitchat is far less demanding than a phone call. On
the 'party line' which is a ham radio repeater, everyone understands that
you may go away at any time for safety reasons.

I would bet that if accidents were analyzed that cell phone calls with hands
free devices still outnumber, two-way radio microphones as the source of
distraction.

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Subject: Re: APRS-Field Day WEB site PLAN
From: "Gary" <gschelske@abe.midco.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:28:42 -0500
X-Message-Number: 26

HERB,
Have you tryed DECAF. ??
Gary

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